Jalal Abualrub Letter to Ali Sina

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My name is jalal abualrub...i am currently writing a book on muhammad, pease be uponhim, titled: the prophet of mercy...may be you should read the two chapters of it available

at: (www.madinahstore.com)...i heard that you challenge muslims to debate you, butfrom looking at your wesbite i did not see anything original other than the usual stuff thatsome non-muslims dwell on without knowledge...is there a real reason for you leavingislam?...do you have any original evidence that made you leave islam?

jalal abualrub

Dear Jalal Abualrub

Thank you for writing. To be precise I do not challenge Muslims to ³debate´ with me. I amactually very busy for debates. I challenge Muslims to prove my charges against Muhammadand Islam wrong. You can do that with one letter alone. If your arguments are convincing,there would be no rebuttals from my side and that would be the end of the debate. I willimmediately agree and withdraw the charge that is refuted.

I also do not claim originality. In fact these questions are old. They are as old as Islam. Theseare the same questions the freethinkers of Mecca , such as Abul Hakam and Abu Sofyan usedto ask Muhammad. The reason I am repeating them is because they have never beenanswered. Muhammad killed one and bribed the other but never answered their questions.Just because these questions are old, they do not become invalid. On the contrary, becausethey have never been answered, they are very likely to be true. If Muslims could answer them, someone would have come with an answer in these 1400 years. Who knows, maybethat person is you.

Yes, there is a real reason for me to leave Islam and no that reason is not original. It is thevery same reason that makes others leave Islam and reject it and that is:

a) Muhammad, by virtue of his conduct does not qualify to be a messenger of God and

b) The Quran contains too many absurdities to be considered a book of revelation from God.

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Thank you Sina for your email. First, I would like to say that my friend Nader A`hmadhas just stated to me that he decently refuted your claims and offered this site as areference (http://www.examinethetruth.com/Challenge_Sina.htm)...



Yes I debated with Nadir Ahmed and you can find the full debatehere: Mr. Ahmed has also published that debate partially.

As you can see, Nadir did not talk about the charges that I made against Muhammad andinsisted we talked about some alleged miracles of the Quran. He promised after that he wouldrespond to the charges. Well, he could not prove any of those so called miracles weremiraculous. And as for disproving my claims against Muhammad, we never got to that part.

I do not mean this in any way to hurt you, I am just conveying what my friend said. Anyway, you truly do not need to answer me on this point at all, I just wanted to be honestwith you as to what I have heard.

Why should I get hurt?

We both are busy, so why not occasionally engage each other in a question or commentfrom your side, then I offer my insight and response. I noticed that your email to meshowed calmness, which I like in this kind of debate. So let us see if we can engage in acivil debate that will be of benefit, hopefully.

Sure there is no hurry. I present one charge at a time and you can dispute it at your convenience. For this debate we adopt the format of the court. The charges are laid againstthe defendant Muhammad bin Abdullah, I act as the prosecutor on behalf of humanity(excluding the Muslims) and you as his attorney. The readers will be the jury.

We do not have to convince each other necessarily. We explain our positions respectively andleave it for the jury to decide.

If I am convinced that any of the charges are adequately contested, I will remove that charge.If a charge is convincingly contested and I obstinately decline to remove the charge, the jurywill see through that insincerity and let them be my judge.

Let us start with misogyny.Hereis the charge

As for me, I really do not like to boast about myself, but I guess that this may be helpful,so thank you again and let us talk a bit later.

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{And We have not sent you (O, Muhammad, peace be upon him) but as a mercy

for the 'Âlamîn (all that exists)}; [21:107].

In response to Craig Winn's, The Prophet of Doom, in which he shamelessly slanderedAllah, the Quran and the Prophet of Islam.

Madinah Publishers and Distributors Announces the Release of the Second Chapter of Jalal Abualrub's: The Prophet of Mercy

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Books Jalal Abualrub Translated for the Dar of Islamic Heritage (1994-1998)y Innovation, and its Evil Effects, by Sali'h al Fozany The Bible's Testimony that Jesus is the Slave-Servant and Messenger of Allah, by

Abdurrahman Abdul-Khaliqy Rights Basic to the Natural Human Constitution, by Muhammad al Uthaymeeny The Hadith is Proof in Itself in Belief & Laws, by al Albaniy Explaining the Pillars of Iman, by Mohammad al Uthaymeeny Marriage in Islam, by Abdurrahman Abdul Khaliqy The Weakening of Faith: Its Symptoms, Causes, and Cure, by Sali'h Al-Munajjid.y Kitab Al Ikhlas (Book of Sincerity), by Husain al Awayshay Basics & Benefits from the Forty Hadith Nawawi, by Nathim Sultany

The Ever-Merciful, He Rose Over His Throne, by Abdullah as-Sabty Hundreds of Article for the Periodical: The Muslim Creed

Some of the Books Jalal Abualrub Translated for Darussalam, Riyadh (1998-2000)

y Charity even with a Trifle, by Abdul-Malik Al-Qasimy Tafsir Ibn Kathir, (Juzu: 1-10, 12, 13, 25-27)y Establish the Prayers and The prize is Paradise , by Abdul-Malik Al-Qasimy Pillars of Islam, by Ibn Jibreeny Silent Moments, by Abdul-Malik Al-Qasimy How to Achieve Happiness, by Abdur-Rahman As-Sa'diy Healing With The Medicine of the Prophet, by Imam Ibn Qayyim Al-Jauziyyahy Life is a Shadow, by Abdul-Malik bin Muhammad Ibn Abdul Rah`man Al-Qasimy Seeds Of Righteousness, by Abdul-Malik Al-Qasimy Kindness To Parents, by Abdul-Malik Al-Qasimy The Seerah of the Prophet, by al-Muparakpuri (Not in print)y The Road to Good Friendship, by Abdul al-Malik al-Qasim

Books Jalal Abualrub Translated or Authored for Madinah Publishers and Distributors:



y Dhammu al-Hawa, by Ibn al-Qayyim (Not in print yet)y V isiting Graves and Seeking Help from the Deceased, by Ibn Taimiyyahy The Creed of the Two Imams, Abu Zuràh ar-Razi and Abu `Hatim ar-Razi (Not

in print yet)y Kitab at-Taubah (Book of Repentance), by Ibn Taimiyyah (Not complete yet)y V olumes 1-2-3-4, of 20 volumes expected inshaallah, of the great book of Sunnah

and Seerah, Zad-ul Maàd fi Hadyi Khairi al-Ìbad, by imam Ibn al-Qayyimy Holy Wars.Crusades.Jihad, a 300-page research on the rulings of Jihad and

warfare in the Torah, Gospels and Qurany Biography of Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab, a 700-page historical study taken

from more than 300 different western and Islamic resources on an important partof the history of Arabic in the eighteenth century

You have an impressive curriculum. It is a pleasure to debate with you.

Ali Sina

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Thank you Sina for your email, and I will check the site you mentioned in your email. If Imay start our conversation by asking the first question, that is: describe to me the kind of Muslim you were before you left Islam? Were you a practicing Muslim, did you read anyof the original resources of Islam, and in what language, were you raised as a Muslim,did you attend congregational prayer, for example, and participate in Islamic activities.Your answer will help me understand why you left Islam.

I have met people who say they were Muslims before, but on questioning them on what itis they understood from Islam, they did not indicate that they really knew the religion.Some of them were angered by what some Muslims did or said and confused that withIslam. Finally, you are welcome to post our conversations on your website so that the benefit is transferred to others.

Thank you.

You can say I was a typical Iranian modern Muslim. The majority of Iranians are Shiites,which is the second largest sect of Islam. But Iran is also the birthplace of Sufism and Sufismhas had a great impact on the way the average Iranians view Islam. Many Iranian sages foundthe Quran too mundane with little or no spiritual content, so they tried to reinterpret the



verses of that book and vest them with spiritual significance to satisfy their own refinedmystical palate. As a result, Sufism does not have the hard edges that traditional Islam has. Itis much more tolerant and much more mystical. Therefore it is fair to say that IranianMuslims are distinct from the typical Muslims, the kind you find in Saudi Arabia andPakistan. You could say the Iranian Muslims fit the ideal picture of the "moderate Muslim". Icome from this background.

Most of the Iranian modern Muslims did not go to mosques or paid much attention to theMullahs. The Islamization of Iran which led to the Islamic revolution was so sudden that took everyone by surprise. Khomeini said people did not make the revolution because they wanteda better life; they made the revolution because they wanted Islam. That of course was nottrue. People made the revolution because they wanted freedom of speech. But foolishly theyfollowed a religious leader who lied to them and promised them such freedom.

The average Iranian is still a moderate Muslim. He does not go to the Mosque, does notrespect the Mullahs, he fasts and prays and views Islam as a personal faith. The averageIranian has a Sufi understanding of Islam. But of course Sufism is not Islam. It is a borrowed philosophy. So in a sense the mainstream Muslims are right to call Iranians heretics.

If you want to show I have never been a Muslim to begin with, you are absolutely right. Mostof the Iranians and perhaps most of the Muslims are not real Muslims in the true sense of theword. Frankly I never thought men are exalted our women and are a degree superior to them.I never thought chopping hands of the thief is justice. I never agreed with stoning victims of rape. I never thought apostates should be put to death. I never hated the Jews enough. Ialways thought God is interested in our deeds and not in our beliefs and good people will notend in hell just because they do not believe in Islam. These are very much the Sufi influencein the Persian psyche but they are not Islamic. Iranians adore their great poets and their poetsinvariably were Sufis. So Sufism has left an indelible mark on the way Iranians perceiveIslam.

The moment I read the Quran and realized my romantic view of Islam is based on false premises and Islam is completely deprived of any humanity, I realized I have never been aMuslim in my entire life.

So if you say that a true Muslim would never leave Islam, I agree. I was not a true Muslimand I suspect the majority of so called Muslims are not true Muslims. I am interested to reachout to these people and tell them the truth. The true Muslims are the terrorists. I will never beable to reach them nor am I interested to do that.

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Round II

2004/12/03

Thank you SinaFirst, I would like to state that I did not challenge you to a debate. It was Ben Malik whosent me an email bearing this title, 'A Challenge to Debate `Ali Sina', and then heforwarded my response to him to you bearing the title that he chose. I am not looking for a debate with you, but a scientific discussion, as much as our mutually busy schedules permit.

Dear Jalal,

That is perfectly understood and I really appreciate you wanting to have a scientificdiscussion instead of debate. That shows you are a critical thinker and apply logics in your studies. This means we both will put aside any belief that we may have and approach thesubject without any attachment to it and preconceived ideas. This is a further indication of your maturity and open mindedness, a trait, unfortunately not very common amongst theMuslim debaters.

Second, I would like to point out that indeed, I did read your responses to my earlier emails. Yet, I chose not to answer your various claims about Muhammad, the Quran andAbu Jahl (Abul-Hakam), because it is not my desire to debate you or waste my time or yours on endless discussions. Thus, the words 'absurdity', 'terrorists' and the like are

neither needed, nor appropriate.

I agree. Let me withdraw those words for now as this would be determined after our discussion is over and not before it begins. I simply expressed my impression of the Quran.But this debate may well determine my impression is wrong and hence those adjectivesshould be withdrawn for now.

I need evidence, proof and specific examples. Then, you will get my answer based onevidence, proof and scientific research. You need to be scientific and bring forth specificcharges, one issue at a time.

Yes I agree and will do my best to do so.



Now you say I should not call myself an ex-Muslim because I was never a Muslim. Probablyyou are right. What do you think I should call myself? How about an ex-deluded?

2. ³ Iran is the birthplace of Sufism." This, indeed, is debatable as many others wouldclaim that the Indian sub-continent is the birthplace of Sufism.

So far you have been right consistently. Yes indeed the origin of the Sufism should be soughtin Hinduism. As I said Sufism is a borrowed philosophy and you are smart to point out that ithas been borrowed from Indian mysticism.

3. On Sufism and Iran , you said the following:

· "Iranian Muslims are distinct from the typical Muslims, the kind you find in SaudiArabia and Pakistan . Iranians adore their great poets and their poets invariably wereSufis. So Sufism has left an indelible mark on the way Iranians perceive Islam." I guessyou are talking about a segment of the Iranian society, because you cannot have possibly polled the entire country of Iran and found this sweeping statement to be scientificallytrue. You should have stated that this is your personal view, which is shared by manyIranians. To state that 'Iranians' are like this or that, you need to present scientific and precise evidence. Otherwise, you should only portray this as your impression and point-of-view.

You are right again. I was being a little hyperbolic. But your observation is more scientificand precise.

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· "Sufism has had a great impact on the way the average Iranians view Islam. Sufismdoes not have the hard edges that traditional Islam has. It is much more tolerant and muchmore mystical." Well, you have chosen the wrong Muslim to talk ill about Sufism. I ama follower of the Quran and Sunnah, the way the Prophet's companions understood and

implemented them. Thus, not only Sufism is a borrowed philosophy, as you stated, but aseparate ideology alien and in opposition to Islam. I never fail to criticize Sufism in thelight of the Quran and Sunnah and will soon write a booklet on its negative impact onMuslims.

So far you are the winner of this discussion. You are again on the money. Islam and Sufismare two different things. Thanks heaven that both of us know that. Please do write your book



and let all the deluded people who think Sufism is an interpretation of Islam know that too.You would be doing a great service to both of us.

Yet, you offered no examples on how Sufism is more tolerant than 'traditional Islam',whatever that term means. Thus, so far, your criticism is concentrated on what Iran had tooffer you in terms of Shiism and Sufism, both of which I am extremely familiar with, butopposed to, and the revolution and its impact on the Iranian society. I fail to see specificexamples in the creed of Islam or its tenets that compelled you to dislike Islam.

Okay, let us leave Sufism aside since it has nothing to do with Islam. Let us talk about Islamand sure as we go along I will give you the specific reason for which I dislike Islam. Isuppose that is the subject of our discussion.

4. "Many Iranian sages found the Quran too mundane with little or no spiritualcontent." At least you said here, 'many Iranians'; you still need proof and examples towhat you said here. Are there any specific and direct examples to support you sweepingstatement about the Quran that it does not have a spiritual content? You know thatanyone can issue a general statement about anything they do not like, but the evidence iswhat counts, isn't it?

You are absolutely right. I shall provide my evidences one by one allowing you to refutethem.

5. What you described in your statement, ³so they tried to reinterpret the verses of that book and vest them with spiritual significance to satisfy their own refined mystical palate", is the very method that I spent my life objecting to and opposing. Yet, I again failto see specific examples here, just a general statement, let alone why Islam is at fault hereso that you disliked it.

That was the introduction! The specifics are what we are going to talk about. I already gaveyou one specific. It is the charge of misogyny. Let us start with that. Once you respond to thatcharge I will move to the next one.

6. "Most of the Iranian modern Muslims did not go to mosques or paid much attention



to the Mullahs." I ask you for evidence to this statement. Someone else could counter bysaying that it is well-known that the Iranian mosques are full of worshippers and that theso-called mullahs, an un-Islamic term, still hold considerable influence over Iran , withmillions of Iranians still devoted to them and supportive of their agenda. I am not a Shiitenor do I ever support Shiism or its dogmas, but justice is required from all. You, again,issue sweeping statements here for which you need to not only present evidence, but alsostate the relevance of them to why you left the true Islam, rather than the Iranian, Sufi,Shiite Islam.

The fact that most Iranians, do not go to the Mosque is something you can find out by talkingto any Iranian. But that is not the point we want to discuss. Our discussion is about Islam andMuhammad and whether he was a true messenger of God. If you want to assume that Iraniansare devout Muslims, that is fine with me. The charges that I have brought against Muhammadhave nothing to do with Iranians.

7. "The Islamization of Iran which led to the Islamic revolution was so sudden thattook everyone by surprise. Khomeini said people did not make the revolution becausethey wanted a better life; they made the revolution because they wanted Islam. That of course was not true." Again, you are talking to the wrong person about Shiism , Iran andKhomeini. If this is why you left Islam, I heard nothing so far in terms of why you leftthe Quran and prophetic Sunnah, which came to existence before Shiism, or the so-calledIslamic Sufism, or the Iranian revelation. Yet, your statement that the Islamization of Iranled to the Islamic revolution is stated backward. Do you mean that the revolution led tothe Islamization, or at least to bringing Khomeini to power who then led the Islamizationof Iran?

Let us forget about Iran and Shiism. My charges are laid against Muhammad and the Quran.They have nothing to so with Shiism, Mullahs or Iran . I brought that up just to answer your questions but really they are irrelevant.

8. "People made the revolution because they wanted freedom of speech. But foolishlythey followed a religious leader who lied to them and promised them such freedom." Thisis your personal opinion to describe one of the major movements of the late twentieth

century. Freedom of speech, as you put it, was but one of many complex issues that led tothe revolution. So for you to offer this simplistic explanation needs powerful evidence,scientific evidence. I witnessed the Iranian revolution, to which I am opposed, andfollowed its news closely for years. The complexity of it and the political, economic,social and religious factors that led to its triumphant conclusion are far more important,and complex, than the mere reason you offered for it.



Yes I agree, I merely pointed out one aspect of it. But we are not going to talk about Iran andits revolution. Our discussion is going to be about Muhammad and whether he was amessenger of God. Specifically I will lay charges against Muhammad and you will provethose charges are not true.

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9. "The average Iranian is still a moderate Muslim. He does not go to the Mosque,does not respect the Mullahs, he fasts and prays and views Islam as a personal faith. Theaverage Iranian has a Sufi understanding of Islam. So in a sense the mainstream Muslimsare right to call Iranians heretics." Again, these are sweeping statements for which I haveseen no proof on your part. Yet, as it appears, you are stating here that moderate Iraniansare religious, since they pray and fast, except for your claim that they do not go tomosques and do not respect the Mullahs. To continue, I should state that mainstreamMuslims, whatever that means, do not consider Iranians heretics. Mainstream Islam is asect, while the Iran is a big country that comprises, among other races, Persians, Turks,Pashtunes and Arabs who are divided into many religions and sects, such as Sunnis,Shiites, fire-worshippers, Jews, etc. I think that you mean that Sunni Muslims consider Shiites heretics, since this is the centuries-old dispute that arose between the two Islamicsects, not between Muslims and Iranians.

You caught my error again. Yes you are right, it is Sunnis who say Iranians are heretics.

Hopefully, you know that the Shiites appeared in Iraq , in Basrah and Kufah, and amongArabs, time before this sect spread to Persia ( Iran , as a modern political entity is a newterm.)

Even if I did not know I know it now. But that has nothing to do with our discussion.

10. "Frankly I never thought men are exalted our women and are a degree superior tothem." It depends on what you understand of Allah's statement that men have a degree of superiority above women. The background you were raised in, according to you, isShiism, Sufism and beliefs of moderate Iranians. This is not the true Islam which preceded Shiism, Islamic-Sufism and the Iranian revolution. Islam is founded on the tworevelations: the Quran and Sunnah, and all that is not taken from the Quran and Sunnah isanything but Islamic.



I do not agree with the Quranic statement that says men have an advantage over women andexcel them. This is a principle. As you can see in my claim against Muhammad, misogynydoes not only harm the women but men are also the losers. It has nothing to do with my background and understating. This is male chauvinism and I simply do not agree with it. Areyou saying in Islam men and women enjoy the same rights? Of course that won't be true.There is gender discrimination in Islam. In thelink that I gave you I brought the charge of misogyny against Muhammad. Please read it and if you can, dispute my claim.

11. "I never thought chopping hands of the thief is justice.. I never agreed with stoningvictims of rape." You are offering your personal opinion here, your personal preference,which is as good as the preference of others who might oppose you and others who mightoppose both them and you. Make this statement of yours more fruitful by suggesting whyyou do not like these aspects of the Islamic penal code and what is the better alternative.

Also, Islam does not cut the 'hands' of the thief, but the 'hand' of the thief, if the thief steals a certain amount or larger, as Islamic books, such as al-Bukhari and Muslim,among other Hadeeth book, indicate.

We will cross that bridge when we get there. This is a long subject and requires a dedicateddiscussion. Let us concentrate on one thing at a time. Let us talk aboutmisogynyfirst.

12. You said, "I never thought apostates should be put to death." However, I alwaysthought that they should be put to death, by the Islamic State. Therefore, where do we gofrom here, decide religion for mankind based on our preferences and desires?

We will get to that too. But just to give you a short response, since I am an apostate and sinceit is your belief that I should be put to death don¶t you think it is my human right to kill youfirst as an act of self defense? But this too is a long subject. Let us not open this Pandora boxat this moment. Let us stick to our plan and discuss one topic at a time.

13. "I never hated the Jews enough." This is not a good statement by you to say to aPalestinian who lost his land, who has hundreds of relative he never saw and can never visit and whose people have been forcibly scattered throughout the world because of theJews who stile their land. I ask you this: had you lost the same to the Jews, would youstill have not hated them? Yet, I did not understand the term 'hate', here. What is your definition of Islam's definition of hatred, and why did you mention Jews in specific?



Yes I am sorry for the Palestinians. But they are not the only ones who have lost their homes .This happened to billions of people throughout the history. The Palestinians however couldhave had their land back had they not hated the Jews to the extent of not wanting to doanything with them except drowning them in the sea. So they leave no option for the Jews butto defend themselves. This is for them the matter of survival. Survival is instinctual. Allanimals, even bacteria and ameba fight to defend their right to live. And no, Jews did not doany wrong to me. If they wronged the Palestinians why should I get involved? There is a lotof war going on in the world, do I have to be involved in all of them? The Palestinians arehired by the Mullahs in Iran to kill my people. Why should I give a damn about them? Theyare not my friends. They are my enemies. But despite that, had they had the humanity toacknowledge that Jews are also humans I would still be concerned about them. But I can¶tdefend them when they have no regards for the lives of the Jews and think they should die.

You probably have difficulty understanding this at all. Let me clarify it for you. I do not see people as Muslims and non-Muslims. I am religious blind and race blind. I see people ashumans and not as Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Christians or Atheists. Religion, race, nationality,caste and gender are meaningless to me. I see the soul of every human being and at that depthall the differences disappear. I said we Iranians adore our poets. Sa¶di is one poet we all adoreand this is what he said. This is the essence of my religion:

All men are members of the same body,Created from one essence.If fate brings suffering to one member,The others cannot stay at rest.You who remain indifferentTo the burden of pain of others,Do not deserve to be called human.

Compare that to the fascism taught by Muhammad who said only Muslims are brothers. But

let us talk about this in another time. There is a lot to talk about and we want to be organized.

14. "I always thought God is interested in our deeds and not in our beliefs and good people will not end in hell just because they do not believe in Islam." Did you ever think about what God actually wants as compared to what you think He wants? According toyou, God wants us to pray and give charity, but not to believe in Him? I fail to understandthe logic here. Had you said that God wants us to believe but the deeds are not thatimportant to Him, I would have said that many people share your view, including somedeviant Muslims. Do you mean that Allah will treat the Faithful, who believes in Himand in His Book and Prophets and fulfills the Commandments, the same as He will treatthose who did not believe in Him, obeyed His commandments or avoided His prohibitions?

Well, that is the god of Islam. I do not agree with him. I think he is not the real God andhence I left Islam. That is an interesting subject and I would like to dedicate to it good portion of our discussion. We will get to that later.One thing at a time!



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Also, I was told by someone that you are atheist, is that true, and if so, do you then believe in God, let alone decide what He really likes or not?

Let us leave that discussion for another time. I wrote about that extensively but it is irrelevantto our discussion. For the time being and for the sake of this discussion I accept that Godexists, whatever your definition of it may be. With that premise, I will prove to you thatMuhammad cannot be the messenger of any god unless Allah is Satan. In that case everythingfalls into place.

Further, you need to explain why you say that people will end up in Hellfire just because

they did not believe in Islam? What about those who live and die without hearing aboutIslam, the Quran or Muhammad? What about those who came before Islam?

Well actually this is a question that you aught to answer. However, my understanding is thatanyone who did not believe in Muhammad will go to hell and that includes Abu Talib, theuncle and guardian of Muhammad, who refused to give up his ancestral Faith despiteMuhammad¶s invitation and Amina, Muhammad¶s mother who died years before he fanciedabout being a messenger. I can show you that Muhammad declined praying at the tomb of hismother and at the deathbed of his uncle claiming that Allah prohibited him from doing that because they died in disbelief. I know you can¶t wait responding me here. But please let us beorganized and discuss one thing at a time. Let us first talk about the charge of misogyny.

15. "The moment I read the Quran and realized my romantic view of Islam is based onfalse premises and Islam is completely deprived of any humanity, I realized I have never been a Muslim in my entire life." I agree that you were never a Muslim before. And youstill did not tell me what references on the Quran you read, meaning, Tafsir, what booksof Hadeeth you studied, what level of knowledge you had in Islam for you to reject it based on that knowledge. Your statement here is a sweeping statement that needsexamples, otherwise, you will have left Islam based on emotions and personal

preferences.

I decided I am not a Muslim only after I read the Quran, using the Arabic text and one or sometimes a couple of English translations to make sure I do not misunderstand it. After thatI started reading Hadith Bukhari and Muslim and then Tabari and Sira, but I already made mymind after reading the Quran and consulting Maududi for Tafseer. It is important to know thecontext of the Quran.



As for the Quran being deprived of humanity, which part of it: bring an Ayah thatsupports your statement, I do not need many Ayat, just one?

Okay just one. I quote the one that is relevant to the theme of our discussion, i.e.misogyny.

4:34, M en are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them toexcel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women).So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded.

As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to bedsapart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo!

Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

16. "So if you say that a true Muslim would never leave Islam, I agree. I was not a trueMuslim and I suspect the majority of so called Muslims are not true Muslims. I aminterested to reach out to these people and tell them the truth. The true Muslims are theterrorists. I will never be able to reach them nor am I interested to do that." This is nice!You never were a Muslim, did not read the original resources of Islam as properlyunderstood, decided on your own that the majority of Muslims are not Muslims and thensaid that true Muslims are terrorists. I ask you if this is reasonable coming from you, because so far you prejudged a religion you never embraced, offered general statementson a wide range of issues without any supporting proof, criticized the Quran withoutmentioning examples, and the few examples you brought were rejected by you based onopinion and preference.

Yes I read the original sources of Islam and after discussing with thousands of Muslimsduring these six years of my online activity, I came to believe the majority of Muslims, likemyself, are Muslims by name and really do not know who Muhammad was and what he saidand did. They live in denial and it is my belief that once it becomes clear to them who thisman was, most of them will leave Islam in disgust. It may take time but it is happeningalready.

As for your statement that true Muslims are terrorists, all what I can say in response isthis: shame on you! I had hoped that you would show an independent mentality and a

type of intellect that distinguishes itself from that of others by research and scientificapproach. You disappointed me. I am a Muslim who believes in all and every aspect of Islam, so am I a terrorist too?

Did you really have to insult? That does not help your cause and except for providingimmediate satisfaction it basically mires your own image. Do you agree that Jihad is a pillar of Islam? What do you think Jihad is? Jihad is terrorism. This is not an insult. This is anstatement of facts. When we come to this point, I will bring evidence from Islamic sources



· Let your next email be brief and in it bring me one issue at a time, such as: an Ayahor Hadeeth because of which you left Islam -which you state you never were in.Examples: 'true Muslims' are terrorists because the Quran says: "kill them wherever youfind them." Or, Muhammad did not listen to Abu Jahl regarding this aspect.. Or, theQuran is void of humanity because it calls upon Muslims to exterminate their foes. Thisis far better and more fruitful for both of us.

Jalal Abualrub

Well, this email is long because I had to respond to your long email. You do not have answer this. This is not part of our discussion. Let us get to the point.

I am accusing Muhammad of misogyny. That is my first charge. It is not brief but that is notour objective. We want to be exhaustive. But it is important that we stick to one subject at atime. It does not have to be too brief either. Brevity is good but clarity is even better. If weself regulate ourselves and talk about one subject at a time without jumping from one point toanother, we can make this work.

Anyway, I think you are an experienced debater and I have some experience too. Let us stick to one point at a time. Let us start withmisogyny.

If you are not comfortable with this topic, let me know and I will make another charge.

Ali Sina

-DODO $EXDOUXE

2004/12/10

like for example, no matter how many times i read it, i can't figure out the stuff you saidabout highway robbery, what it means, based on what evidence, found in which books, and as compared to what universal system that considers it as such...added to that,your statement that instead of calling muhammad a highway robber, you accuse him of highway roberry, is the very same thing...no doubt, saying such words will not help youconvince your opponent, but will only serve to infuriarate them...to me, insultingmuhammad is worse than insulting my parents, myself and everything dear to me and istarted this conversation with as a believer in muhammad, totally devoted to his religionand to every aspect of his sunnah...



jalal

Dear Jalal,

I have no doubt that you are totally devoted to Muhammad's religion. But your belief insomething does not make that thing true. The followers of Jim Jones were also totally believers. They proved their faith in this man by drinking poison and committing masssuicide. The followers of Shoko Asahara were totally believer too. They released toxic gas inthe subways of Tokyo killing dozens of people and injuring hundreds. So as you see the faithof people in someone is no proof that that person is right or even deserves any respect. Jonesand Asahara were/are psychopaths and you would not hesitate to call a spade a spade and tellthe truth about them no matter if their followers get offended.

When I accuse Muhammad of highway robbery, I will bring my evidences to back up myclaim. We will get to that. But for now let us concentrate on one subject at a time. I have laidthe charge of misogynyon Muhammad and I have presented my case against him. Pleaserespond to that first. Once that is out of the way I will present ample proof that Muhammadwas a highway robber. If I fail to do that or my evidences are debunked by you, I willwithdraw that charge and issue a public apology. That won¶t absolve Muhammad of other charges, but it will absolve him of that particular charge. But if you mange to prove all thecharges are unfounded then I admit defeat and withdraw completely. I will remove thecontent of this site and in the home page I declare I have been proven wrong and Islam is atrue religion. I think that is very fair.

Now I ask you to respond to the charge of misogyny. If you decide not to respond we will

move to the other charges. I am not going to beat my chest claiming victory but I am sure our readers will come to that conclusion on their own. After all it is they are the jury. And Iremind you that there are many Muslims likeKK who read this site and decide whether Islamis false or true based on how Muslim apologists like you respond to the claims made againstMuhammad.

-DODO $EXDOUXE

2005/01/24

To Sam Shamoun and Jochen Katz

If you think that the Quran is a false book and that Muhammad was deceived by thedevil, then instead of writing this stuff about me on your website, why not debate me?Even some Christians sent me emails apologizing for Shamoun's 'un-Christian'



demeanor. Instead of debating me, lies are introduced: Where did I agree to debate ÀliSina? I challenge you both to bring forth a single statement in which I stated that Iwanted to debate Ali Sina. A copy of this email is also sent to Sina, and I hope that hewill challenge your statement, because he knows it is untrue. I did not even post my

correspondence with him on my website. Also, I specifically told him that my discussionwith him was not a debate. All what I wanted from him is for him to say why he leftIslam, a religion he admitted he did not embrace or learn at depth.

If you think that you are so righteous, Shamoun, and that you have become a scholar onIslam, then why not accept the challenge that still stands from me to you to an issue-by-issue debate so that you can demolish me and Islam at the same time. As for Jochen, hisemails to me spoke of honor and that he was ready to be tested on this. Therefore, myquestion to him is: did you post my response to Wail Taghlibi as you hinted you would?Did you see me post my correspondence with you on my website so that you retaliate bydoing the same? How can your site lie to your audience claiming that I did not want todebate Shamoun when you know that this is a lie and that I still challenge him to a debate but he won¶t accept? Sam Shamoun has coward away from debate when he knew that itwas on the basis of one issue at a time. He should show that he still has a shred of decency left in him and let the people know the truth, that I gave in to him on the topic,format and time of the debate, but he refused to debate me when he understood that Iwanted him to mention one issue at a time. He knew then that this means he has toactually defend each of his cowardly statements about Islam in detail. He knows howweak he is with regards to any type of knowledge, especially Islam.

I advise you both to read my response to Wail Taghlibi; and know that soon, I will targetanother one of your articles on Islam and let the world decide who is right and who iswrong. As for Àli Sina, he will also receive a response from me on his hilarious faketrial of Muhammad, peace be upon him. What liars: I did not even contemplate debatingÀli Sina because by reading his stuff, I realized that he poses no threat to this religion atall. It seems to me that what¶s killing him is what¶s killing you both: no matter howvocal you become against Islam, and how much aggression the Christians can direct atIslam, this religion still spreads steadily and especially in the West. I want you to hear this good news, only a few days ago, a man declared that he converted from Christianityto Islam and sited disgust with you, Evangelists, as a major reason for his decision.

Lies and distortions will not help your religion. You must tackle the core beliefs of Islamas compared to yours if you stand any chance to convince your own fellow Christians, letalone Muslims and the rest of the world, that your religion is even remotely correct. It is



clear that you feel danger to your µcomplex¶ faith coming from the plain Islamic Faith,and this shakes you to the ground because you know you cannot resist the advance of Islam or prevent the decline of your religion. You know how weak your faith is and howyour holy books are full of contradictions and plainly false stories. But lies will not help

you, Truth will. Why can¶t you stop worshipping men and start worshipping the Creator of all men, Who was not begotten nor does He beget, and there is none like Him?

Jalal Abualrub

::: ,V ODP/LIH &RP

D ear Mr. Jalal Abualrub

I would be happy to discuss Islam with you. I am sure through discussion truth will be shown.

Although truth is one and infinite, we humans are many and each one of us has his or her ownperception of the truth and our perceived truths are finite and vary from person to person. Each one of us is limited by his/her circumstances and sees the reality from a different vantage point. Because thevantage points are different, our perceptions are accordingly different. We stand in different spots andeach one of us sees a different panorama. What we see is not necessarily false. It is only partially

true. If we talk together and learn about each others¶ views we keep learning more and amplify our understanding of reality. It is not realistic to think one day we will know all the truth, but by exchangingour different view points we can learn and understand more.

Understanding this is important. It makes me humble and to realize that no matter how much I learn,there is still more to learn and I can never grasp the entire truth. The big Truth is unattainable. We asfinite creatures can never attain the infinite reality. Just as it is ludicrous to say we have found theknowledge; it is equally absurd to say we can find the truth. Finding the truth, like finding theknowledge is a process. Since truth cannot be reached, it is the journey that counts not thedestination.

Why this is important? It is important because once we know that the truth that we as humans can

grasp is relative, we become less arrogant and more tolerant of views that do not match with ours. Webecome conscious of the fact that others may also possess part of the truth. This outlook makes usmore tolerant towards others.

My battle is not about the truth. It really does not matter to me if someone wants to believe in a twoheaded dragon or an eight armed deity. My fight is about living in peace and bringing love and unity tomankind. Truth therefore to me is very practical. If your religion teaches you to be kind, loving andforgiving I consider that religion to be true. The purpose of religion is to make us better human beings.Likewise, if a religion promotes hate and disunity among the people, makes one group feel excelled



over others by virtue of their faith, makes them despise those who do not believe in it, calls themimpure, tries to subdue and humiliate them or wage war against them and kills them, that religioncan¶t be true. It is a satanic religion and it must be combated and eliminated.

I don¶t say that Christ was a messenger of God, but many things that he said or are attributed to himare good and wise words. He said ³ye shall know them by their fruits´. This is my yardstick to

determine which religion is true and which ones are false. If a religion advocates hate and incites itsfollowers to kill others, I know instinctively that this religion is false because its fruits are bitter.

God can¶t be cruel, unjust, whimsical and unforgiving. These are not divine qualities, these are satanicqualities. So if any religion has a god with these characteristics, that religion is demonic not divine.Based on what I see in the Quran and learn from the examples of Muhammad I came to realize thatthe god of Islam is not the real God of this universe. Muhammad either made up the whole thing,fabricated a god to fool people and take advantage of their gullibility or he was directed by Satan.

As for Christianity, it really does not matter to me whether they believe in trinity and whether trinity is alogical fallacy or not. I go to Christian churches and I meet people who smile and shake hands. Whoshare good moments with each other and sometimes have a Sunday lunch together, and I feel thereis love in the air. They talk about projects to help people, young boys and girls volunteer to domissionary work and improve the lives of someone in other countries and I like that. I like that³Christian spirit´ of fellowship and love. When I go to mosques, I hear the khotba and it is filled withhate. All the Mullahs or Imams have to say (and they quote the Quran) is how

Muslims should dislike others; how Allah hates those who do not submit to him, how Muslims aresuperior and others are filth. I look at the faces of the young boys and I see anger. By reading theQuran and by listening to the Mullahs they do not become better people, they become dangerous,ready to kill someone. Apart from all theological and philosophical arguments, my gut feeling saysIslam is demonic.

I would be delighted to discuss Islam with you. I am not going to talk about my gut feelings with you. Iam going to bring rational arguments. This is another weak spot in Muslim scholars. Recently Idebated with Mr. Edip Yuksel, the leader of the Submitters aka 19ers. After the third round, hestopped debating altogether. Instead he posted pieces from his book and then made apsychoanalysis of me, he falsely accused me of using hadith to disprove the Quran, he threatened tostart a lawsuit against me, he quoted what my critics wrote against me and finally issued a ³prophecy´that by February 19th something is going to happen to me that not even the Bodyguards and the FBIcan protect me. Who knows, maybe he is into voodoo or something. These have nothing to do withour discussion of the Quran.

I would be more than glad to discuss Islam with you and I hope we remain on the subject and leavethe psychoanalysis of each other to the experts. So I am ready to debate with you anytime you are

ready.

Kind regards

Ali Sina

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